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03/29/2011 2:42:19 PM
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Has there ever been any one to compete in all three at the state level in class 3 or 4 and if not is it even possible? also has any one ever won 2 of them in class 3 or 4
Has there ever been any one to compete in all three at the state level in class 3 or 4 and if not is it even possible?
also has any one ever won 2 of them in class 3 or 4
03/29/2011 3:25:48 PM
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@bobbledsoe I know the 1600 and 800 double has been successfully done in the past. Adam Perkins from Liberty did it in Class 4, as one example, but that was before they started doing prelims of the 800 again last year. I also know Tyler Banks of Oak Grove completed the 400/800 double last year and placed 7th in the 400 and 1st in the 800 in Class 3. The 400/800 double with prelims of both is difficult enough without the 1600 final thrown into the mix on top of those. Others will have other examples, I am sure, but these are just a couple of examples I know of from the past. Though this triple is not "impossible" I would guess that many coaches would advise against it, because this would be a very strenuous triple on a young man or woman, especially if they do make it to the usually very hot stage in Jeff City the last weekend in May.
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I know the 1600 and 800 double has been successfully done in the past. Adam Perkins from Liberty did it in Class 4, as one example, but that was before they started doing prelims of the 800 again last year.

I also know Tyler Banks of Oak Grove completed the 400/800 double last year and placed 7th in the 400 and 1st in the 800 in Class 3. The 400/800 double with prelims of both is difficult enough without the 1600 final thrown into the mix on top of those.

Others will have other examples, I am sure, but these are just a couple of examples I know of from the past.

Though this triple is not "impossible" I would guess that many coaches would advise against it, because this would be a very strenuous triple on a young man or woman, especially if they do make it to the usually very hot stage in Jeff City the last weekend in May.
03/29/2011 5:27:27 PM
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As a junior Shannon Leinert of Eureka won the 800, was 4th in the 400, and ran a leg on the state record setting 4x800. Her teammates Meredith Snow and Kasey Kimball went 1-3 I believe in the 1600 and 1-2 in the 3200. Her senior year I believe Shannon was hurt and did not compete at state. If she would have been healthy I bet she would have run the 4,8,16. She could have her junior year I guess if they wanted to try to do that and get three qualifiers in.
As a junior Shannon Leinert of Eureka won the 800, was 4th in the 400, and ran a leg on the state record setting 4x800. Her teammates Meredith Snow and Kasey Kimball went 1-3 I believe in the 1600 and 1-2 in the 3200. Her senior year I believe Shannon was hurt and did not compete at state. If she would have been healthy I bet she would have run the 4,8,16. She could have her junior year I guess if they wanted to try to do that and get three qualifiers in.
03/29/2011 10:39:34 PM
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There are many 800/1600 double wins at state in Class 3/4. However only twice has someone had double wins in the 400/800 and both are at Class 3 - Marcus Walton of Potosi in 2003 and Kianna Ruff of McCluer South-Berkeley last year. I don't think anyone at the upper levels have ever placed in all three and, off the top of my head, I can only think of Jared Wilmes having done it at the Class 1 level.
There are many 800/1600 double wins at state in Class 3/4. However only twice has someone had double wins in the 400/800 and both are at Class 3 - Marcus Walton of Potosi in 2003 and Kianna Ruff of McCluer South-Berkeley last year. I don't think anyone at the upper levels have ever placed in all three and, off the top of my head, I can only think of Jared Wilmes having done it at the Class 1 level.
03/30/2011 8:38:29 AM
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@Hays Benji Dove from Herculaneum won the 800/1600/ was second by the width of his bip# in the 3200 and also ran the lead-off leg [1:55 split] on the 4th place 4X800 in 1992. That same year at conference he did run the 1600 [4:20] the 400 [50.3] and the 800 [1:57.] in the span of about 90 minutes. He was a pretty amazing racing machine. Coach Kasten Herculaneum
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Benji Dove from Herculaneum won the 800/1600/ was second by the width of his bip# in the 3200 and also ran the lead-off leg on the 4th place 4X800 in 1992.
That same year at conference he did run the 1600 in the span of about 90 minutes. He was a pretty amazing racing machine.
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03/30/2011 9:31:31 AM
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@bobbledsoe , Ok, I'll bite... I think another question should be how many kids in Missouri in class 3 or 4 have ever really been fast enough to even think about trying such a feat? This year on the women's side, the anyone attempting this in class 4 would have to be fast enough to beat the current state record holder, last years state runner up that also went under the state record, and a girl that was third but eeked out a 53.7 in July. Then they would also have to be able to defeat one of the deepest 800m classes in recent history. The sprint speed of a 200/400 and the ability to run a mile is a rare and treasured blend indeed. I have only seen 2 athletes in Missouri that would have a real shot of doing this in this era. Just a few years ago a girl could win the state meet with a 57. Now 57 could leave you out of the state meet altogether. Maybe some crazy person will try it this year...
@bobbledsoe , Ok, I'll bite...

I think another question should be how many kids in Missouri in class 3 or 4 have ever really been fast enough to even think about trying such a feat? This year on the women's side, the anyone attempting this in class 4 would have to be fast enough to beat the current state record holder, last years state runner up that also went under the state record, and a girl that was third but eeked out a 53.7 in July. Then they would also have to be able to defeat one of the deepest 800m classes in recent history. The sprint speed of a 200/400 and the ability to run a mile is a rare and treasured blend indeed. I have only seen 2 athletes in Missouri that would have a real shot of doing this in this era. Just a few years ago a girl could win the state meet with a 57. Now 57 could leave you out of the state meet altogether. Maybe some crazy person will try it this year...
03/30/2011 10:05:03 AM
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Rachel Stollings of Osceola (Class 1) in the late 90s won the 400 and 800 at the state meet. And did probably something unprecedented her senior year when she won her 3rd 800 title, finished runner-up in the 1600, and finished 3rd in the 100 M dash... We looked for a way to score points without taxing her in those two distance events and she most certainly surprised with the 100 M dash.
Rachel Stollings of Osceola (Class 1) in the late 90s won the 400 and 800 at the state meet. And did probably something unprecedented her senior year when she won her 3rd 800 title, finished runner-up in the 1600, and finished 3rd in the 100 M dash... We looked for a way to score points without taxing her in those two distance events and she most certainly surprised with the 100 M dash.
03/30/2011 10:13:25 AM
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At the Class 1 level, Brandon Etzold of Saxony Lutheran won the 400/800/1600 in 2007 setting the State Record for Class 1 in the 400.
At the Class 1 level, Brandon Etzold of Saxony Lutheran won the 400/800/1600 in 2007 setting the State Record for Class 1 in the 400.
03/30/2011 10:29:25 AM
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I have one from our neighbors to the west (KS.) Trisa Nickoley was a 4 time KS Class 5 state champion in all 3 events (400/800/1600.) I believe she was also a 4 time XC champion in KS class 5. After high school Trisa ran at the University of Missouri where she was a multiple time big 12 champion as well as an all american.
I have one from our neighbors to the west (KS.) Trisa Nickoley was a 4 time KS Class 5 state champion in all 3 events (400/800/1600.) I believe she was also a 4 time XC champion in KS class 5. After high school Trisa ran at the University of Missouri where she was a multiple time big 12 champion as well as an all american.
03/30/2011 12:55:43 PM
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In 2003 Josh Harper from West Plains won the 1600 and 3200, was 5th by about 1.5 sec. in the 800, and ran a blazing leg on the winning 4x800 team.
In 2003 Josh Harper from West Plains won the 1600 and 3200, was 5th by about 1.5 sec. in the 800, and ran a blazing leg on the winning 4x800 team.
03/30/2011 1:29:48 PM
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@Big_Al_2112 I will try to do some research on her times but I believe Nickoley could run under 25 FAT for 200 and ranged all the way up to around 4:50 in the 1600. I watched her run 2:06 at Kansas Relays her senior year in the 800. I also think she had 55 low times in the 400. She ran at the University of Missouri but did not get that much faster in her time at MU. Somebody more knowledgeable help me out but I think she got down to about 2:04 in the 800. She was also a 4 time cross country state champion as well for Shawnee Heights HS in Topeka. I am not sure if Kansas was running 4K at that time or if she ran 2 miles. I know Kansas does not have the depth of talent as we do in Missouri but regardless that is a huge range of ability.
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I will try to do some research on her times but I believe Nickoley could run under 25 FAT for 200 and ranged all the way up to around 4:50 in the 1600. I watched her run 2:06 at Kansas Relays her senior year in the 800. I also think she had 55 low times in the 400. She ran at the University of Missouri but did not get that much faster in her time at MU. Somebody more knowledgeable help me out but I think she got down to about 2:04 in the 800.

She was also a 4 time cross country state champion as well for Shawnee Heights HS in Topeka. I am not sure if Kansas was running 4K at that time or if she ran 2 miles. I know Kansas does not have the depth of talent as we do in Missouri but regardless that is a huge range of ability.
03/30/2011 1:54:59 PM
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I think Darwin Price definitely would have had a shot at this. He obviously already won the 800 and 1600 (also the 3200). I know he clocked some 49 splits on the 4x4 (after running 2-3 already at most meets). He definitely could have placed all state in the 400, but I'm not sure enough information is available to know if he could have won.
I think Darwin Price definitely would have had a shot at this. He obviously already won the 800 and 1600 (also the 3200). I know he clocked some 49 splits on the 4x4 (after running 2-3 already at most meets). He definitely could have placed all state in the 400, but I'm not sure enough information is available to know if he could have won.
03/30/2011 5:10:23 PM
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@Slim_Jim Im with you on this one. If anyone within the last 5 years or so was to do it, then he would have been the guy. His ability to combine speed and endurance is not something that we find around these parts. However, i feel that guys with great 400 speed would not bother with something such as the mile, unless they truly have great endurance speed, which is as rare as a unicorn LHH
@Slim_Jim Im with you on this one. If anyone within the last 5 years or so was to do it, then he would have been the guy. His ability to combine speed and endurance is not something that we find around these parts. However, i feel that guys with great 400 speed would not bother with something such as the mile, unless they truly have great endurance speed, which is as rare as a unicorn LHH
03/31/2011 1:12:27 PM
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@Slim_Jim Not trying to take anything away from Darwin but there was a guy named Maurice Mitchell who was pretty good in the 400 meters that year..... Sean Nunn Raytown South
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Not trying to take anything away from Darwin but there was a guy named Maurice Mitchell who was pretty good in the 400 meters that year.....

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03/31/2011 1:34:19 PM
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Lavin could give it a run.... Sean Nunn Raytown South
Lavin could give it a run....

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03/31/2011 2:43:12 PM
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If my memory serves correctly, Darwin had just won the 3200 and skipped the awards ceremony to jog down to the bullpen and lead off his 4x400 team. I believe his leg was around 52 after just running 9:15.
If my memory serves correctly, Darwin had just won the 3200 and skipped the awards ceremony to jog down to the bullpen and lead off his 4x400 team. I believe his leg was around 52 after just running 9:15.
04/01/2011 11:17:14 PM
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@Hays my freshmen year i won the class 1 1600 and 3200, took 2nd in the 800 and ran anchor on the 4x8 which took 6th. last year i won the all the distance races and anchored our 4x4 to a 9th place finish. 4x8 was dq'd.
@Hays my freshmen year i won the class 1 1600 and 3200, took 2nd in the 800 and ran anchor on the 4x8 which took 6th. last year i won the all the distance races and anchored our 4x4 to a 9th place finish. 4x8 was dq'd.

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